Hello and welcome to the David Todd Miller podcast. I’m your host, David Todd Miller. This podcast is about fitness, nutrition, having a positive mindset and how to optimize the human performance as well as human experience. This podcast is also about developing a never say die attitude, living a life of positivity and, most of all, having hope.

Well, we have Doctor Mehdi with us today, a license dentist here in New York City. Very well experienced, Very knowledgeable.

(Dr. Aryan) My name. Dr Mehdi Aryan and I’m a General Dentist here in New York City. Located at eighty Park Ave. David is a great friend of mine. Also my trainer lucky, too. I’ve known him for the past three years and here today to discuss some things that overlap between general Health and Oral.

(David) Where where did you go to school? And so I grew up in Boston. I graduated from Tufts Dental School in Boston with a Masters. Then I moved to New York to do my residency here. Months fewer practicing for about seven years now were going to York City a good chunk of time in the big apple Exact. So what? What all is what all goes into the schooling of dentistry. So typically, yeah, I do. Four years of undergraduate. Most people do it in biology or pre med. And then after that, you apply dental school. And that’s another four years. Then you can go on from there. No, either. General practice residency, which I did for you. Go on and specialized in French specialties, and then the street. Okay, so it’s very much like become an actual doctor like a medical doctor. Exactly. Yeah. In dental school, most of our courses overlap with the medicals. Okay, so you kind of get a little bit of interaction. Well, you know, you are a doctor, specialized the mouth. So just like any other specialty medicine. You know whether off Tamala Gist, specialty eyes, cardiologists, specialists of the heart, Dennis, our train medical doctor, Special special lies and Orel Cavity. Yeah. So what are some things that people may not know about? A dense in general are some things that you have learned over the past years that most people would say Oh, really? What? Well, nothing. No, As Faras not knowing things about Dennis is one thing. But a lot of people don’t really know much about the basics of oral health. And that’s where I like to educate people. It’s about the patient. It’s not about me. So you know, when when people step in for the first time, I like to kind of, you know, give him a crash course on the importance of world health. You know, being a doctor, you’re a doctor. And, well, you in Latin means teacher. Okay, so you know, I have to teach people about, you know, their current status of their oral health. And from there, you know, I can help them with some good understanding forward with their needs and their treatment. So, you know, my primary goal, even before I start to do any chemistry, is to educate. Because once you understand, you know the etiology of no gum disease or how cavities start, and you know how it affects your general health. Then you know, when you do take care of, you know, when you do your part at home with your home care, now you understand why you’re doing what you’re doing. You understand why it’s important to flaws. You understand why it’s important to go for your routine checkups. And when you understand that, you’re more likely to be top of there, there. So, you know, just where is the number? Can’t growing up. Can’t learn from your your votes might win it from Yeah, I have, like, a Dennis. Come in school like fourth grade or something. Shows that a loss of what? But And you may like a commercial or something here and there, but you really don’t learn a whole lot. I feel is a general population grade school, high school college. You know, all you hear is no. Twice a day lost in that town where they leave via desire. Where would you say people can bridge the gap between what you know and like, what air good resource is. Or something along those lines. Well, most important is your dentist job, too, to educate you. So you know, that’s right. Set myself apart from a lot of other dentists who just, you know, kind of dive right into doing the work. No taking the time to explain for the patient. But, you know, just like anything else. There is plenty of online. You know, you two, Basically, any any kind of information you want learn is now at your disposal. You can go online, but really, until you don’t go until you go to a dentist, and you you are, you know, informed about two different things going on in your mouth. You know, you gotta take x rays. You don’t really know what’s going on. So first good stuff is show up a dentist. You know, make sure you’re going for your at these six. Every six month checkup. I mean, whatever you every six months. So, you know, a lot can happen in a couple of months if you go once every year. You know, a small cavity could turn into a big cat the year. So six months. Good amount of time because you catch things early enough. You can kind of nick, um, in the butt. No, take care of it. No, that’s really the reason. Okay. What? So what exactly from a medical standpoint, is a cavity? So cavity is when the dental decay process begins, where no bacteria feed on sugars, there’s different kinds of bacteria in amount But for, for instance, for cavities, it is the bacteria feeding on sugar and carbohydrates in your mouth. And basically their waste product is acid, and acid is what starts eroding, healthy anomaly to structure. So that’s essentially what a cavity is. And basically, the bacteria start to take over the tooth and with time, just multiply and back The cavity grows and grows and basically rot, healthy to structure. So that’s what? Okay. And so when you when you brush your teeth, is that neutralizing the acid or just removing the bacteria in general or both? Yeah, definitely. Basically brushing, you know, paste has flora in it. Fluoride is bye cavity agent. Basically, it reverses the that to decay process. So it remained a realizes enamel at its early stages. Yeah, you’re basically wiping the bacteria off. But you know, it is crucial, like meets that earlier to also make sure you flush because you know a lot of the plaque and a lot of food Debris that in our mouth caught him between the teeth and brushing his early clean that so no. When you don’t floss, you’re really not cleaning about forty percent of the tooth surface. So yeah, it’s like almost like not brushing your teeth. So you know that. And on top of that, when you don’t plus, you know your gums there constantly in the more flame. Status basically chronic. That becomes a crypt that’s a chronic condition that turns into a gun. So first you start with Ginger Vitus, which just means inflammation of the gums. And then over time, gingivitis turns into period on Titus, which is now Not only are your comes in flames now you’re losing bone bone underneath the gums. And also the cops are tourists. Sylvian. Yeah, gingivitis. You know, people hear that term all the time. And toothpaste, commercials and things like that are heavy hitters. Yeah, but most people probably don’t even know what gingivitis means. You know? So, yeah, that just means inflamed gums. But if you don’t take care of that and it turns into gum disease, and then a lot of martyrs loose teeth from gum disease, So what what exactly is causing information is a distraction to the answer. Knows you won’t. You know, that’s a different kind of bacteria that we talked about with cavities. So there’s all these different kinds of bacteria that live in our mouth. Some are responsible for irritating gums summary responsible for causing to decay. So when you have plac accumulation below the gums, those bacteria that are specific tio, you know, cause income issues. They thrive and they multiply. And yes, they’re basically there. Waits, Product erodes the the bone struck here of the job. Our teeth are anchored in bones. So with that, the bone level starts to be depleted. And, you know, that goes on for many years. He’d start to get loose because the teeth are anchored in job site of bone. So yeah, and these are things that you know if unless you’re dentists or your dentist educates you on it, you’re not really going toe. No. So this is why I have these discussions with patient. So they understand. And once you understand, that’s the first step off, you know, tackling the problem. This is so I mean, I got, like, four questions and what you just said. I’ll start with counter simpler one and maybe graduated from there. So flossing says, big one, forty percent. It’s being hit when you’ve lost your the whole one hundred roughly or less what? You know, there’s different ways to flaws. You’ve got like, the the Caliph, the little picks, You know, it might be an inch wide or so. Yeah, the ready there, Flossie, You get dentist. Got a long cord, the water Pik. Are there any others in which one is the most effective? That’s a great question. Because, you know, I see a lot of people come in with you, No pigs really on top of it. But then they still have cavities. They still have inflamed gums. You know, it’s certainly better than doing nothing. But, you know, that’s another thing. I take my time and give them oral hygiene instructions. Show them how to properly applause. So the best kind of pluses used tape flaws like morally glide, for example, the regular, you know, strand of loss. A lot of times it gets ready and it’s annoying. I recommend or will be glide two patients because it literally glides and that doesn’t get ready. And you know what you have to do is not only going between, so the reason why the pics are no good is because when you hold and it’s hard for me to to explain this on D’oh interview. But it’s kind of a visual thing. But when you floss, you want to make sure you’re scraping that in between surface of the tooth. So with the pics. You’re just simply going in and out in and out. You don’t have that. Almost like a friction with. Well, you don’t have it makes dexterity. You know, like when you hold the Strand of Plus, you’re holding it with your two hands so you can kind of drag it up against that in between. Surfers. You know, that’s the whole point of flossing is to scrape that image surface. So when you use the pics, you’re simply just going out and out, and you’re not really scraping the inbetween surface. So you know, you might be missing a lot of the plan debris that’s still there. You know, water pick is good, but I always tell people use it in conjunction with irregular boss. Don’t really replace flossing with water pik, especially for people who have fixed retainers after getting or thawing things like that. Water pick is a good tool because you can clover you. You know, You want to make sure you use the conventional flaws. I kind of have to, like, kind of like a C shape we gotta drag it up against, you know that in between surface of the two rather than you know with the pics. Like I said, you’re simply just plane in and out in that in between space, and it’s not as efficient. It doesn’t matter if it’s wax turn on Lex. Is that so? You know that the tape plus is not wax. You know, it’s kind of a matter of personal preference, But like I said, I found that with the world you fly, you know, that’s the easiest way to get in and out between kid. So that’s that’s the one I recommend. OK, so wait, you’re brushing your teeth. We got glossing math. Watson is a big one. They’re always talking about prevention of gingivitis like you mentioned earlier and Is that something that really going to make a difference, or it’s kind of advertising. It can’t hurt. But, like, you know, all you really need to do is brush floss and go, you know, for your routine checkup in cleaning sand. You know, all that other fancy stuff is kind of extra. You know, you can certainly use mouthwash, but no. At the end of the day, it just comes down to, you know, brushing and flossing with the right technique. Okay, so I know for some people, they’re not too worried about that math watch with their teeth and their guns are, you know, I got good teeth, your guns, I got bad breath. So there’s a last two questions from there, you know? So there’s some people just use it for that. Is that something that is really going to help her? Is a temporary fix a lot of times with bad breath because they might have some gastrointestinal issues that they they haven’t, you know, address. If if you know they don’t have gum disease or don’t have rotten teeth, that’s something to look at. Also, brushing your tongue is an important one because it’s a lot of tiny filaments that harbor bacteria, too. So point brush your tongue because I can’t build up a thick film bacteria because of those filament. So it’s important also corporate’s rushing or, you know, use a tongue scraper. Okay, It doesn’t matter. I remember I think I’ve heard this once. I don’t know, Dennis or somebody else or what, But when you are, it’s creeping tiger brushing. You’re trying to get more of the back of it. And you know that Almost two point that you’re he had that thing down your throat. Yeah, he’s a true are Well, you know that there are different types of filaments in the tongue, So perhaps in the back, they’re more porous. Look, it’s elements, So yeah, makes sense. You want to make sure you get back there and scrape off all that? All the bacteria from the more Forest Party is there. Is there anything dietary wise or maybe just hydration that will reduce the build up of the bacteria? I don’t know how fast. Yeah, so, you know, they’re people who have different cars of saliva. Some people don’t create as much saliva. Some people just more acidic. Ph of the mouth. These are things that you know. The dentist can definitely came too with the patient. And, you know, they’re people who have like Short syndrome or, you know, people on medication was that try them out. Those those kinds of patient be more aware. You know of that because saliva has a lot of properties, just don’t even have enough saliva production. More prone to I have because saliva actually helps fight. So Oh, some people who are, let’s say, mouth breathers. They have dry mouth overnight, they could be more prone. I’m getting cavities. You know, these air, That’s why. You know, Like I said, it’s really important to educate people because it’s there’s a lot that goes into it. You have to make sure you’re practitioner is kind of taking a comprehensive look at at everything. Because if you’re just, you know, focus than on one tooth and not looking at the general picture, a lot can be missed. So I want to make sure your dentist top of it all. Okay. You threw out a word that I have never heard. It is, like, shortens short man syndrome. It’s spelt s j o R. Ichi. Yeah, that’s kind of like, are you? And a lot of times the patients, they don’t produce enough saliva. So another medications, they’re rinses there. Chewable is that that can stimulate their saliva production. So I reclaim. Exactly. So this disease is that triggers your celebrity glands. Exactly. So you know, this saliva is big. It’s alive. But the content of this alive. What Some people may even have enough saliva production. But no, we can check ph of the saliva and just make sure the mouth acidic environ ours. Acid is basically one. If you have a good night hydration, is that going to be a large helps? Exactly. So people, dry mouth sort of conditions that cause dry mouth. You know, one main thing is hey, keep drinking water. Stay hydrated. Definitely one of the recommendations. Make it. You know, Just as faras your general health coz, you know that you’re always telling me. You know, it’s rehydrated. You got a drink, You’re eight cups of water at least per day. And just for the home, your spaces of our body you know, you have to be hydrated and water’s essential. Not just for your aura health, but for your general health or Russia. Teeth flossing or making sure we’re hydrated cleaning our town. And we’re staying away from sugars That’s making. Is that acid? What about like salt? Does that have any effect? There’s nothing else. We really need to watch out for sugar acid. You know, So energy, drink soda, Gatorade. You know, just anything sugary juices people think juices is good for you, but the are all juice. Most juices is just sugar. So these are things you have today. So what about like staying in stuff like that coffee stain? Wine. What? What’s going on there? This is a really step segmentation from from from the wine or the T. Interesting things. Coffee. I just spoke to the enamel. Yeah, so Dennis can just polished that off. Is that something? You know it. If you’re trying to be as creative as you can, do you want to have your coffee and then brush your teeth? Brush your teeth to prevent the coffee from saying all those staining doesn’t damage your teeth? It’s more aesthetic thing. Yeah, Usually when you drink coffee, it’s the stains are on the back part, back surfaces. So, you know, just when you go for your dental cleaning, Dennis is the right tools or the hygienist to scrape those things off. So that’s not a big deal. Okay, So I know, like, you go to the dentist and get whitening and something that what about, like, the over the counter, so to speak. Like that? Yeah. I mean, you know, those things help, but you know that the one at the dental office it is what kind of prescription grade. So if you want, you know, really noticeable changes that you get in office waiting. But No, Those products over the counter definitely work, you know, they have. They work differently for different people. But as long as you don’t, the one thing with lightning that people need to realize is your teeth and gums have to be in in good health. You know, if you haven’t had a cleaning for a long time and you want to go get whitening, you’re goingto damage your teeth and your gums by putting that on a dirty surface. So first thing is to get the mouth and good shape, take care of any cavities, get rid of the plaque buildup. And then once everything is in good shape, you can You can do it to get the best results. So what other? Incurable? So it’s a I walk out the door, A trip in my shoe lace. I not want to that what I did. You got it. You got it. Phone the dentist. They sap. But in the meantime, depends. If a lot of times you know, you can put your tooth and in milk or in it’s called banks solution. Will not everyone is gonna have that lying around. This is what they teach you in dental school. Okay, Lucian, you were just get that Walgreen anything that hardware store something. But, you know, I’m usually a couple of milk is good, and we’re gonna put milk in my mouth and turn No, say that Carl is working a cup and put it in and just contact your dentist right away. Depends if the tooth comes off, comes out in all, there’s different approaches that we You know, I don’t want to get into that right now because there’s a whole list of whether the tooth is evolved or it’s Lux aided or if it’s fractured hands on the Trump. So if that is, what exactly depends on the trauma. So but yeah, you need to call the dentist. Hey, stop. Take care of that. So what? But after another proposal, what happens if why all the curve balls that I see how well you can hit him. So let’s say that occurs. And for some reason, it happens a little night. I’m walking around. I run into something. Not too that Put it in. How long is that good for? Like, is there anything I could do for a couple hours? But honestly, you know, you something like that happens. You know, there are even in emergency rooms. They always have a dentist on call. You know, a better hospital. Yeah, OK, it’s better. Tio take care of it A sap, because with those kinds of problems that the sooner you address it, the better it is. Definitely contact your dentist. They would get back to you in there. They open the office. But you know, if you can, they do offer dental emergency services and hostile. You did not know that I would’ve been like crap. You know, Dennis is asleep right now. I got a lot of student my residency. I worked in the hospital. We had to do call every couple of nights, and people come in at three in the morning with tooth app says, and incision and training. A lot of hockey players? No, just a lot of people who neglected their their teeth until it’s our acting up. One day at three. A. M. Mostly. So if someone chipped tooth there, they cracked it in half. He just put it back on. Like how it’s important to say that you guys are You guys are actually reattaching to more or less. Like I said, depends on the case. You know, sometimes we can use bonding agent, too. Bond Teo. Teo. Is it like a glue or silica? Calcium? Kind of. You know, it is a bonding agent. In it is, it is like glue, but it’s meant for your teeth. It’s not like gorilla Krazy glue, but but a lot of the time we use our restorative material, you know, depends on the amount of the size of the crack. You know, if it’s big crack than to mate, might need a root canal post in the crown. If it’s a small way, have to see if we can use that to bond back. Sometimes you have to use our resident, uh, material, you know, composite material. So it’s very much based, based on case to case on a case to case basis. So you know, I don’t want to just die. Throw something out there because every case is different. This is so if it’s just kind of like I’m assuming that like Thie edge and you reattach it, it’s okay. What point does the tooth because it’s bonded by this resin or that this bonding agent doesn’t say we were. Yeah, except this. So you know, guys, if it’s over forty percent of the Toots surface, most likely the tooth is going to need a full coverage frustration because they just used composite material. But finding most like bites into something hard. It’s gone. Break your job. Burgers. That’s going to be more substantial. Oh, very clever. It’s frustration, such as a crown. Okay, so kind of bank checking with this. We’re talking about sugar. Sugar is no good. I have bright fluorescent green branch chain amino acids over there. Green apple flavored. But it’s sweet. Was super lows, I believe. Which is? It’s not sugar. Alcohol. Yeah, And so I actually, you know, a lot of sugar alcohols or actually good for your teeth. This one? I would have to look it up. It’s like it’s like Splenda, actually. Okay. Yeah, that’s that’s not really. That’s not bad. Okay? Yeah. Even like you chew gum with Silas. Which is the sugar up alcohol. Kind of like a trident or in orbit. You don’t want to choose, For example, a juice that’s got a lot of sugar, but there are certain gums that actually helped looking like a child. She’s tried that trend and white training so that what kind of any kind of chewing gum inside a hotel is actually good for your teeth. Okay. Are there any other sugar alcohols that we should watch out for me. Any other gums have something else in it? No silence. Okay. So is there Is it possible to stimulate lightning with a gun like they advertise? Or is that more? It’s not going to be substantial, you know, it’s going to be very minor, but that’s more of a marketing gimmick, okay? Right. Do you like five percent If that? Yeah. You really want some peace and results? There’s better options that chilling tried and light. Okay, Yeah. Eso Maybe they just kind of you know, from time to time, it’s not gonna hurt you. Sounds good. Pull tend to underestimate the affected overall effect of or importance of world health because you’re your mouth and your oral cavities. First of all, it’s where you know, you take in all the food and everything like that. And you know when you don’t have healthy teeth and healthy gums, it really does. For example, this is another great point. Two. Tell our listeners is people who have gum disease are much more prone to getting and a card itis. Andi, heart problems. I’ve seen you know, someone with a gum abscess in the emergency room who actually went into shock because that their end of cardio the in the inner encasement of the heart the bacteria that infects that is the same bacteria that we find in our gums. So there is no gate that separates your oral cavity from the rest of your body. And you know you. I’ve seen people who they think they’re in great health. You know, they would jam the exercise, but then they neglect the Dennis, and then they have issues. And that person is not really healthy because they may go to the gym and they may, you know, work mussels in there. Exactly. But if you want to be in tiptop form, you gotta really be on top of your oral health because it’s It’s like a domino. If you neglect that open up big cannon, warm stuff, it’s pretty simple. It’s just like, you know, in your as a trainer, you tell, tell you us, me included. Stay on top of it. It’s about consistency. Same thing with Orel Health. If you want to keep your teeth for a long time till you know until the day that you leave this world, you got a you know, two year part at home. That’s the most important part, more so than, you know going to the dentist. That’s important, you know, so we can take X rays so we can clean the teeth. But it’s really what you do at home every day and being consistent with it and not just flossing. Once in a blue moon or once in a week and, you know, developing those habits and sticking with them just because when you develop the habit and you get into a routine, then you know it’s much easier than if you just kind of like exactly what working out. You know, you don’t work out for three weeks and you go back and work out one day. What good is that? You might as well, not even to itself. Same thing. Same thing. So keeping that consistency, How consistent. I mean, you want to try to do every day, twice a day? Yeah. Do you want to go as far as like after every meal? You know, you want to definitely try toe brushed twice a day. I know to be real. Ideally, you want also floss twice a day. But if you flush once today, that’s realistically that’s good to know Is there any benefit to doing it in? A warning is supposed to evening, possibly evening. Because, like I said, when When we go to bed, depending on especially a lot of people you know are mouth breathers, things like that. And, you know, the mouth as much drier at night time and like we discussed, so live lies a lot of anti microbial properties. So you know, you want to make sure you definitely do it before. But time I I always thought people floss before you brush. That way you remove anything in between the teats of the phone from the toothpaste. And that is something penetrated floss first, then. Yeah, because now that in between surfaces are cleaner and more open. So the phone from the toothpaste and get in there better and do its thing do its job, clean everything up. Okay? Makes sense. But it does. I wish so. Every question? No, this No question. So there are your typical your crest. You’re Aquafresh and that kind of thing. And then there’s I actually used a natural toothpaste. Does the other one’s. From what I understand, handsome chemicals might happy is good for you. You use like Tom’s. I used Toms. I don’t know if it’s flavored or what. But Major that had Florida. Yeah, but what? What chemicals are in the other ones that might not be as good for you or worship pushing the listeners be looking for. They pick up the toothpaste that has active ingredients and active honestly, more or less, they’re all the same. You know, some of the holistic ones, you’re rid of fluoride. FlowRider is really important and, you know, nicking cavities and their various early stages in the But like a, I explained earlier, they have that property to re mineralized gamble when, like a super tiny. So honestly, you know, when people ask me about brands of toothpaste, things like that, you know, they’re all pretty much the same. They have fluoride. They have some sort of abrasive, you know, too polished surface of the two. It’s not really about the brand. It’s not about, you know, brand of toothbrush. You know, Just make sure it’s a soft purcell to brush, so it’s not abrasive to the gums. And it’s really about the technique, the consistency and how often you brush flaws. You know you can have the fanciest pellet on machine in your house, and it could be collecting dust. You know, that doesn’t mean you’re not You’re going to be and you’re going to be fit. Or you could have a guy was no equipment, but he’s, you know, I can’t do it knocking out burpees and push ups and he’s in tip top shape. So there you go. Perfect analogy here. True. So two fresh wise. Like I’ve always been told you want to hit the teeth at a forty five degree angle. Yeah. So, you know, small circular motions exactly. So listeners can look up past technique. B A S s a technique that’s the right technique. And you just described what backs technique is okay. Out of forty five degree angle and small circular motions. We have two bristles on the gum, half on the teeth and you want to make sure you spend about four minutes brushing? I tell people, Don’t rush rush. I can usually tell kids that because they think, you know, just they go Boom, boom, boom, boom. After ten seconds, they tell their parents I brushed. I’m good. I’m guilty of that. It’s like a first name or say Okay, I’m running when they take your time. I usually tell people for, you know, put on a song that you like. Songs are usually about forty five minutes, so Okay, brush from beginning fishing, Okay. Has definitely toothbrush only has one last question for you. So I have a, uh, things the world be an electric one. And no, not bronze. Horribly wrong. Think it’s circular goes back? Jesus. Faras text. That’s good, I said, even if you have the right technique with manual to brush. But I really like the Phillips Sonic toothbrush books because they uses the ultrasonic vibrations. Basically, just does the whole job for you. Just hold it up against your teeth. And the ultrasonic vibrations really break up that dental plan. Okay. I also simulates bloodflow guns. Teo, perhaps gentle. This has different. It has different modes. One it’s for gum when it’s for. So that one is a really good one. So especially for different people. Accumulate placket. Different rate. So for people build up a lot of plans. I’m definitely ready. Philip Sonic urine. I have no solution. Really, Brad. So Yeah, well, many, I think I think that’s all we have to wait. All the bases. We got a good a good start. We’ll have you on again. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. The man. I catch it. All right, Thanks. So, again many. If if anyone wants have used or Dennis or contacting for question. Love to have them there. Where? Where are you looking at? I’m at eighty Park. That’s on thirty ninth and park, right near Grand Central. Ok, And your name? Your business again is called Vita Dental. And it’s online. As you know, dental duck v i t a dental. If anyone wants to check you out on social media working, they find you know that the dental and and mice for for Facebook, Facebook and Instagram Way do Twitter. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You’re pushing me to be more active on social media state that any any YouTube? I have not, But, you know, definitely looking along your footsteps. So if Wei have many on again, if he has a you too at that time we’ll update you guys. But you mean he’s on Instagram Facebook as Vita Dental in Y. C and website as well? And then he’s up near Grand Central. Where is his place of occupation? Yes, Thank you. That’s very welcome. Very welcome. You She ate it and thank you for having me. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, sure. Anything I wasn’t. Well until next time You take it easy. Okay, Thanks again, guys for taking time out of your day to listen to the podcast. Also, thanks to natural machine nutrition for sponsoring this podcast. If you’re interested in natural supplements without fillers, dyes, chemicals, anything like that, check out national wishing nutrition at natural machine nutrition dot com. 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In this podcast I interview David Jones a member of the US Army, master personal trainer, Nutritionist, and all-around great guy from Midwest. To reach out to David, email at davidljones88@yahoo.com more at www.davidtoddmiller.com hello and welcome to the Davey Todd Miller podcast I’m your host David Todd Miller this podcast is about fitness nutrition having a positive mindset and how to optimize the human performance as well as human experience this podcast is also about developing a never-say die attitude living a life of positivity in fashion and most of all having hope I was going everybody so today we have on a special guest my great friend Dave Jones Dave and I went to Southeast Missouri State University together a shout out to everybody in the Midwest I’m on the East Coast right now but Dave is also a Midwest guy and he was my partner in crime with like group training had a lot of great experiences going through college with him and he is also a member of the Armed Forces military branch being the army and so we’re just gonna kind of talk a little bit today about fitness nutrition a little bit of how military played into kind of how he went about fitness and he got ready for everything so we’re just gonna kind of start at square one you know Dave where were you born and and kind of you know go from that into the military if you would Krypton Arkansas and during the military – 17 I started 11 years in the military I immediately saw the benefits of staying in shape while I was going through my trained military stress is important to physical fitness especially in dire life-threatening synonyms for example you buddy goes down and you have to drag him or her to safety but you’re either too winded or he just lacked the strength to even just move him because most time you’re carrying a lot of gear and they’re really gotten to like strength training and lying to train other soldiers ok so just from like a practical standpoint yeah yeah I mean that was very um I was right off the bat you know that that was a very important thing to realize and some soldiers don’t pick up on it as soon or take it as serious you know especially gunner soldiers yeah I mean yeah sure as most people you know I have to encounter that kind of scenario in their lives not usually but it would be nice to have the ability to physically overcome that kind of obstacle like you’re faced with you I mean you guys carry quite a bit of gear too right you have how much gear do you think you’re carrying oh man sometimes I mean I’ve carried anywhere between 60 to you know 80 pounds of stuff if you count like body armor and helmets in your boots your uniform the weapon your ammo your vest plus a lot of times you’re carrying the like if you drag somebody you’re dragging them and whatever they’re wearing to him so you just actually got to carry your own body weight their body weight plus roughly an average of a buck 40 yen man that’s a lot what and you know you might use their train to help you you know you might be able to slide your buddy on gravel which will move a lot easier but then if you’re in mud you’re hardly ever not going to get much traction so I’ve dealt with a lot of different terrain and really need to have that strength sure wouldn’t you know we’d likely bet situation you get the adrenaline and going but it’s very important be able to do it I hadn’t even thought it was like the you know being on in any kind of like mud or gravel or anything like that you you know you’re moving a lot of weight but rolls nice solid ground and good to go yeah yeah I’ve done I’ve done some exhausting training scenarios in mud where you’re doing like a litter an Aiden litter where you got full of people caring you know so much average of 200 to 240 pounds for maybe like a mile I mean yeah that might be a little extreme and maybe you know unrealistic in most scenarios but just it has happened over in combat where they’ve been carrying distances gotta gotta get out to the safe zone for the helicopter right get to that the LZ right yep so just from the physical life-threatening situation on training training helps out and the alive or death situation so when when you were training for that what kind of were you doing more Olympic lifting or like a CrossFit style or just kind of old-school bodybuilding so I usually take a multi I guess faceted approach we’re you know you’re definitely the running and sprints you sometimes you got to run up there and click and I guess use that energy pathway to to get the job done and then sometimes when you got the long distances you’re gonna have that too so really good mix short sprint training plus the you know long endurance training there’s not really one one size fits all but it did do a lot of sea endurance training for martyrs like higher rep squats deadlifts just build a little mass and gives you kind of prepared to like just losing the large amount of weights in general so would when you would do that kind of training did you adjust your nutrition I know in the military they you got like the MREs but did they kind of let you have a little leeway or did they say this is what you got to eat and you know that may be enough fuel for you or may not yeah so like when you’re training a lot of times you are limited to what they provide from a military standpoint they provide you everything that you need but from educational back you know background standpoint I guess you just got to make try to make the best decisions with what options you have and instead of going for those really sweet stuff that may be available maybe you can treat some of the junk food that comes in them RV for some more you know healthier options there’s always going to be soldiers that you know they they want the sweet junk food or whatever and they’ll gladly trade you yeah and if that’s an option then take advantage of it you know it’s not really helping them out but honestly they think you can get a hold of they’re going to do whatever then you’re gonna get from somewhere so in the food that you had do you feel like it gave you enough energy to do what you’re doing or do you feel constantly hungry or you’re just like throwing up backI’ve been looking back on I felt like it’s quite a bit are quite often not satisfied with the amount of food or if you may have enough food or in the MRE for that particular training day but sometimes you’re just limited on time and you just pick pick and choose what provides the most amount of calories in the shortest amount of time you know stuff that’s easier to eat or we forego warming it up with the water heater lever and seating stuff cold and that way you can get you have more time to get more to intake move more calories gotcha I remember a while back you saying something that don’t mean to the fact that you were burned just so many calories that it felt like you’re just always hungry you know and you’re how much do you think you’re burning a day uh again it goes to depend on what you’re doing and I mean if you if you start off on the five o’clock regiment you know say you start the day off with a mandatory to the full model run then you immediately start doing you know tactical training entering clearing rooms and maybe you switch to more live scenarios where you know you’re can bombard with dummy grenades and you have to go to assault buildings and these compounds I mean some of these rates and stuff can take you know two three hours on your day and then you know specially if you gotta do say the land navigation to get there so you’re just walking and running like so yeah a whole day I mean I think could add you know several thousand calories no problem that’s why I’ve eaten you know three thousand calories before just still feel like I’m starting nothing to the day and and all that training you’re still working that 70 pounds of gear – right yeah yeah most um you’re still wearing you know your armor no because if you don’t wear it then you’re not getting conditioned to carry it so after a while you you feel more or less just kind of like a heavy coat or yeah it’s still kind of notice it yeah actually it does become quite comfortable when you when you start wearing it all the time I mean another buddy looks at it that way but you do definitely adjust for it I’m sure you’re gonna get aches and pains when you first start just because that extra load that you’re carrying but you do just – and becomes like kind of second nature and you can start jogging with it and so pretty common yeah okay I can see that so how would you say your your exercise and nutrition has changed outside of the military I know you know back when we were in college you’re still in in great shape definitely aerobic lee and in a few times we’ve talked about strength training you said you were you know I forget the multiple but it was pretty impressive from your body weight it’s like a like a 1.5 or a – oh are you for referring to like maybe a specific lift or say like a bench press I think so like pound pound pound you were really strong yeah back then I was around 150 of 155 and bench was up to 260 I think that’s a point six seven times my body weight pretty good ratio yeah cuz I was also doing a lot of endurance training too for say military-wise hired two push-ups in two minutes I’m is pretty high standard while also meaning a high levels you know I guess power you know injure one rep max or two at max I’m maintaining that is very difficult and requires a significant amount of discipline and pretty good like nutrition based I would say sorry go ahead what now you can ask was it just when you say a lot of discipline was it just a lot of frequency a lot of upkeep you’re just knocking him out multiple times a day or at least every day or what was kind of your training for both the 1.67 and the push-ups um so so yeah the records there they were actually held consistently or together the the 102 pushups in two minutes and the bench press with both around the same period of time and the training approach that I took was twice a week you know working on those the target muscles for those exercises and just getting a good mix ofsay you got you start off with your standard bench press and then income and income and pretty standard way of training for strength but then you also move to say dumbbells and high reps mixed in with the not heavier weights at the end of it I always do like a burn out and do you see a set of push-ups and then push-ups on my knees and then push up off a bench and sometimes I’ll even do push-ups off the longer I’m just can barely push myself aloft and just getting that good mix of training that went a long way I think a lot of discipline that people overlook is I trick us thing like overlook the amount of rest time required are you doing such a program so when I say to say to China week you’re not doing all those lifts on both of those days you can kind of mix and match and have a lot heavier day versus a lighter day the second day of the week on the on the heavier days how many reps are you shooting for is it more like a three or four and on the higher days are you shooting you know upwards of like thirty or fifty years it just kind of told you hit failure yeah so on the heavier days I always stuck around I don’t know maybe between four and eight because you also want that muscle growth in there too I think the research that I’ve done is the longer the wraps the less muscle group that you’ll get it from it so you’re just trying to just be well ground and Prabhu had that muscle group which will eventually turn into more strength so it’s trying to get a good balance there because of the requirement to move your own body weight when it comes to like doing push-ups and stuff like sue didn’t want to focus too heavily on like a one rep max but the strength came regardless and so it kind of looked into my favor so endurance when it comes to more than Durance I stuck I think anywhere between fifteen and twenty five on average for reps and then just burning yourself out at the very end okay I mean it’s very in you mean just like that last that yeah just Alessa maybe the last two for instance you know I’ve mentioned the push-ups and no no real target number at the very end just do as many pushups as you can then drop making ladies you’re kinda like a drop set doing a drop set um say dumbbell curls and just going from one say yeah thirty to twenty five to twenty eight to fifteen ten and Saturday figure done and then that that’s the last thing that you do and then call it quits okay how would you say your nutrition changed once you were able to just kind of have free-for-all you weren’t on the MREs er and put unquote Xiao ou nutrition as is I think it’s changed quite a bit over the years um I’ve always been very I guess aware of you know eating the right foods and then that’s kind of subjective too depends on who you talk to what but nutrition books in schools that you go to in general just avoid the sugar carbs that kind of thing is the probably the most helpful approach that I took was getting getting away from all this stuff that you’ve like okay I really don’t need this stuff that could make me lethargic and hold me back and eventually I got to promote we’re super strict and so far that even condiments like ketchup and barbecue sauce and that stuff that adds a little extra sugar I was just eliminating as much as I could and it really started making me feel better and just just overall more energetic but then again you have to compensate those calories that you losing from stuff that you typically would eat you just start uh having to start eating more of the raw foods and stuff to kind of get those calories back but more well in Game one of a positive result from that so yeah it it’s not something that you can do overnight especially with a Western diet you know you grow up on you know and I’m all feeding your chicken and dumplings or fried food whatever it in so you get custom in this you know these bad foods they’re speed you’re like I’d say just do not connect took cold turkey overnight because a lot of times those tights them too they don’t stick with you so I’ll say took about a year to have this overall nutritional overhaul I guess huge change okay and how so are you going like no Carver’s it just like cutting out the sugar but you’re still having like sweet potatoes oatmeal that kind of thing yeah exactly I’m just knowing not like the way it’s usually trained and I have some Austrian it’s like the whole restricted highly restricted diet doesn’t generally work for the average you know person I guess you know nine to five work or you know it doesn’t work and every single day doesn’t do competition replaceable words you know just for a typical American you know if you will that kind of approach doesn’t really work the best because people um and there is you know they want to have some kind of happiness in their life and a lot of times they rely on food so cutting out all carbs well it’s not really the right answer but again I think you’re mentioning oatmeal and stuff like that as a fruits and vegetables you know it’s better way looking at carbs instead of saying all carbs are bad with saying sugars I’ve tried a huge any diet probably like five or six times and initially I I feel pretty good mentally but then my performance will go down and there’s you know they always say that there’s like the data type adaptation phase for the for the you your body around fat more or less and I’ve never really been able to get to a point where I can keep that high intensity and which makes sense you know you’re running off of glucose during that time so I’m I’ve kind of gotten to the point where I think almost like a targeted ketogenic diet is really good just have a little bit of carbs right before your workout assuming you’re doing a high-intensity and not just kinda like you know walking on the treadmill or going for a jog outside and then the rest of the day just kind of having like you know a good amount of protein probably too much for a true ketogenic diet but uh keeping the carbohydrates low and what I’ve done that I’ve had pretty good mental clarity you know no large fluctuations and energy and that kind of thing and I think when when people are wanting to you know can I have that that you know food as either like a recreational or social or just kind of a pick-me-up carbohydrates are definitely one of those you know going to like it’ll elicit serotonin that’ll make you feel good mm-hm so I’ve I’ve kind of I’ve tried to dabble and find alternatives that are you know lower calorie because I usually that hurts most people is that they the ones that taste the best are usually the worst for you because it has a lot of sugar a lot of those calories and usually it’s a mixture of eating yeah it’s just really palpable it tastes really good and so it’s easy to eat a lot of it and so I I feel like there’s there’s things out there you know like fruit fruits a great alternative it’s you know I remember coming across and reading that it’s like nature’s candy and especially if you uh you know you can make like a shake out of you know just simply like a banana or ice cream Chicago I was thinking you can get a banana maybe a some nonfat and nonfat milk or like some almond milk coconut milk and made like a super chocolate protein pattern and you’ve got you know chocolate banana ice cream that’s more or less tastes very similar to what you might eat and have eaten four or five hundred calories with and this might only be like you know 150 200 I actually actually starting to do that with my daughter I have a seven-year-old daughter that I’m trying to get into more of a nutrition mindset you know it’s not harming the child but as I just like hey do you want to make some homemade ice cream so really all I did was two frozen bananas a little bit of vanilla and that was enough that was enough and ransom yeah I think it’s the texture that through a child they kind of were like that you know nice cream texture so she was much more happy with it mixed up like there than eating the banana BOTS oh yeah so start them off young you know I think that’s the best approach but yeah definitely finding ways to get memories this sweet sweet tooth cravings with fruit and everybody goes and you know grabbing the snicker me crazy like that yeah and the other you know the other thing that all and it’s like a natural sweetener like a whole earth or a Truvia or just straight stevia and and that’s usually enough sweetness that it you know whatever I once had yeah it would have satisfied whatever I would have had that was just straight sugar ask you to make a transition here okay kind of get your opinion on so I’ve been reading a little bit about cooking raw vegetables and I’ve been wanting it you know just get more up to par with cooking and trying to figure out like the science behind it but I’ve done a lot of reading about cooking that there’s some do you know like cooking some vegetables you know it destroys vitamin C but it’s plentiful most diets are it’s really not a huge issue but when say cooking Tomatoes it actually boosts the amount lycopene and the reason why couldn’t some vegetable is better for you is because the cell loss on the vegetables they break down these thick walls and AIDS and nutrient absorption in the body say for instance foods to consider maybe take care it’s spinach mushrooms cabbage pumpkins definitely asparagus peppers and there’s several others that you can consider but just whatever your thoughts are all right you know I for a long time I just ate straight raw vegetables I thought you know this is this is how it’s always been this is how you know mr. caveman would have done it and you know I’ve always tried to take the approach that what would have our ancestors and our our bodies you know because we really haven’t evolved a lot since that era and so I always have tried to keep it more or less like that but taking into account the the science and so I started doing a lot more cooking on my vegetables as well I still need to look into like you know the microwave debate but as far as I’ve I’ve read and heard it’s not that big a deal so I’ll actually microwave a lot of my vegetables just the point that they’re kind of like a bright green you know for example if it’s broccoli and for the same reason to break down that cell wall for better absorption but I’ve also read kind of like what you said as well that you don’t want to a certain vegetable so it’s kind of almost like which is kind of annoying that you can’t it’s not just a one you know one fix all you can’t just nukem a nuke everything vegetable wire comes into the scientific approach it might be a little more than some people willing to put effort into but if you really want to fine-tune the diet I mean it’s definitely something we want to consider how you’re cooking the vegetable but there are a reference here so according to like let’s see Journal of Agriculture and Food Chemistry states stated that boiling is the best way to preserve the antioxidant and still cook them I mean I could see that a lot of people conclude to dying Borland was a steaming but according to this journal they were saying boiling which is contradictory to some other research articles like the red so it’s kind of a difficult it’s it’s like a grey zone and and there’s some people who say you know you you want to boil it you want to make sure you do it this way and other people like no no don’t do that so it’s it’s confusing and I’ve you know I’ll if I boil my vegetables what I’ll do is be good and I think this is kind of what they might might have been referring to or maybe saying indirectly is that like if you boil the vegetables that especially if you do it to a certain extent you’re gonna you’re gonna overdo it right so that’s one thing you definitely want to do is overcook it but it’ll start to no because you’re breaking down the cell wall it’ll start to leach out into the water right and so what I thought was heck well I don’t think anything’s gonna be evaporating unless it’s just you know water vapor and steam but I could definitely see maybe I overcooked a little bit of her or maybe even if it’s not overcooked maybe something is kind of leeching out into the water and so what I’ll do is you’ll let everything cool off I’ll take the vegetables eat it but I’ll actually take the the water that I cooked it in and put it in a cup and neither just drink it straight or you know mix it in with like a decaf green tea or something like that and to try and make like a you know like an Ironman kind of super super green drink yeah that’s a great idea you can even my your Mable take it another step and maybe make soup or something else on it – definitely that’s that’s definitely a good approach to take just with everything everything in moderation even just the cooking temperature and stuff like that some people like their stuff super soft but I mean or what’s the point eating if you’re not going to get the health benefit from so maybe just having a slight crunch yeah you know just kind of stopping that whatever method you use just you know just be aware that there is a certain point that you need to stop cooking that to retain all those nutrients my my favorite way is you know pan heat it sounds bad to say but like pan searing it put it in with a little bit of like coconut oil and and just put in the pan almost to the point that it starts to get like a little bit of gold to it and you know I don’t know for sure I hadn’t looked it up but I I would think that’s starting to damage the cell to the point that maybe I’m losing nutrition at that point especially if you burn it I mean that that one’s definitely tasting the best and you know if someone were to come to me and say hey I want you know I I don’t really mind vegetables but like I just I want it softer I’d probably tell them hey cook it and then just put it in a blender and then you can just kind of almost use it as like maybe a sauce or something like that you have to have a pretty good blender but that way you can kind of get that that more bushiness to it it’ll be a little bit easier to get down and it depends on the vegetable you know like cucumbers I got a couple so I trained that they’ll say you know I really like having like you know French fries or something like that and it’s like you know you can’t have you can’t have french fries if you’re it a lot for the calories but it’s not the best it’s not the most optimal way to go so you want to go you know have like cucumbers or something like that sly some real thin and and bake it and that point it’s you know nice and crispy you’ve kind of made like a dehydrator or like a air fryer haven’t tried that but I think that would work pretty good put in like an air fryer and put just like a little bit of like sea salt on it and you have like a essentially a potato chip if you want to slice a real thing yeah like that right satisfy that I think that mental remembers yeah exactly that’s actually pretty good idea too one thing that I’ve done I’ve trained oh man I’ve had over 300 you know first assessments with seven you know with clients and almost every one of them you know I kind of step back here you’re covered stuff like basic movements squat and kind of similar deadlift type movements and then always spend a few minutes on nutrition and most people who they don’t have anywhere no idea where to start and they just think it’s overwhelming but when the try to simplify my training with my clients in the beginning is like hey whatever can get them started go go with it and then continue to build on that so if they prefer when a cooking method or another but it gets him started on vegetables by all means a serious seared a little bit and then maybe try to transition down the road to more you know boiling or steaming methods just get them started and get them interested in you know eating healthier foods and then try to make a transition later on on sort of overwhelming them with all these specific steps nothing hey I think that’s a really good point and I you know the they always they say the the best diet is the one that you can stick to because there’s you know there there’s so many out there that it can it can be overwhelming and it can be it can be discouraging for sure like okay you know dr. so-and-so said that this diet was gonna be you know the cure-all for you know losing weight or feeling better and you try it and it just doesn’t go the way that you want it to yeah and so I think you know just like everybody is different from another person unless they’re a twin you know at least from a genetic standpoint of you know taste preference and whatnot and how food affects energy and mood and whatnot that it’s it’s very individual and so you kind of have to tinker around you you know you can kind of set guidelines and parameters you want to stick with something that’s really nutrient dense that is going to provide and if it’s a vegetable or a carbohydrate a good amount of fiber with it that hasn’t been processed so it doesn’t have any added chemicals like margarine or any of those like partially employ hydrogenated oils and so I think you know kind of go into like a nutrition foundation is just to have plenty of plenty of variety nutrient-dense and and I think that’s you’re good to go from there make sure you get enough protein throughout the day and then gradually find out what makes you feel the best and also results in the best decrease for health risk you know if you try if you’re eating one way for three months and you do a blood test and you come back and you have you know your your blood lipid panels are real bad and then you try another one that you feel equally as good on and and your health markers are much improved then and that’s the better diet for you yeah so it’s just good to know you mentioned the mood factor and I think that’s quite a bit quite often overlooked actually I have a friend that’s into as a dietitian and goes to a school like say metaphysics and then they use you know mind body and spirit kind of thing and her approach that she uses a lot of times is like yes definitely try to take the scientific and nutritional value out of things but also kind of like listen to your body and just focus on how you feel that day or the next day after eating something and from from that awareness she’s she’s been able to not necessarily self diagnose but pinpoint errors in her diet it you should meet saying yogurt you know a lot of times you over you know it’s really good for somebody but after after taking them I don’t like notes of our diets making her feel she wouldn’t get additional tests and come to find out she has a her body is against taking yogurt and so let’s just start being aware of where you’re meeting and can I keep track from a little bit see Anna makes you feel thank you name was she lactose intolerant or is it yogurt specifically I think it was yogurt specifically yeah I think um I don’t know if it’s the bacteria in it or not but it was you say cheese that’s interesting I wonder no wonder how shooter respond she had like kefir or something like that that had probiotics as well and in the back yeah I’m not sure but it’s a it’s definitely an interesting approach and I do know that it’s been such a long time since I you know I my whole idea like G day ends up being a win cheat meal and then cheat meal now this I don’t know see I would consider it a bowl of cereal a dessert like a cheap dessert you know I said it’s not even anything it does the extreme now but say the last time I’ve eaten say I don’t boneless wings or something it just makes me feel crap it’s not it’s just you have this in your body and I realize the effects of foods gonna have on it it’s kind of hard to do if that’s all you eat a lot of time but if you start eating clean and then introduce new things it’s a good food versus a bathroom anybody little definitely moves changes and you’re you’re better than me Dave I’ll I’ll go usually is only maybe once a month or once every two months but I’ll go and I’ll have like an epic cheap you know just be one meal I’ll try to do it like early in the day sometimes it’s set at night but like I’ll knock out like a pizza and a half or like a restaurant and just clear clear the place but I you know I definitely feel it the next day as well I’ll you know I’ll feel it an hour later you see like usually III don’t know if it’s just peels it’s the amount of food that I’m eating but I suspect this the amount of food but also how sections yeah just about it you know inflammation and what not like and you know if I have a you know I love Papa John’s Pizza but you know like I said on maybe have it once a month because I know I’ll wake up the next day and it looks like someone just socked me in the face man what the what the heck happened and I you know it’s probably a lot of a lot of things that you get a restaurant or something like that has a lot of salt just packed full of salt and the table salt that you have nowadays has aluminum in it and that caused a lot of inflammation in the body so you’re kind of giving a one-two punch with inflammation and and so I’ll wake up you know it looks like a mr. Potato face and you know it probably takes a day or two to kind of feel back to normal Energy’s Energy’s down even though I just said all these calories and you know kind of on the flip side of the coin is you know every now and then I’ll do usually on those days following I’ll just do a 24-hour fast to say okay well I’ll do feast famine because I’ve seen a lot of benefits for you know cardiovascular health you know dropping or decreasing the risk for heart disease or cardiovascular disease by 20 I think I saw one study that was 25% just doing that once a month I was like okay well you know that that can be kind of my routine that way I can kind of have you know why my cake and eat it too no pun intended I’m Matt and so I’ll kind of do that I’ll kind of do a feast famine where you know I’ll eat a ton in the next 24 hours I’ll just I’ll just have water maybe a little bit of coffee or something like that and I think recently the longest that I went I was just trying to see how it was going how far I could push it and I got to about 42 hours without having anything to eat night you know for the most part I felt pretty good it was almost kind of weird I you know I had done it before I got to 29 hours or so and after about like 18 hours I really just didn’t feel hungry which was which was weird it was almost the longer I went fasting my my body just kind of got used to it and at that 42 hours I still really wasn’t that hungry I was just like I know I I know I should eat something you know kind of for especially for you know protein goes on not bringing in amino acids and that kind of thing but now were you retraining during this read reading kind of like exercise program where you’re just doing these on like so you’re doing her off time the for all kind of backtrack a little bit there is I was getting ready for a photo shoot and I was doing I did a 24-hour fast like three days in a row I would wake up train real hard and then probably about an hour to later have just a huge meal and same thing you know I wouldn’t eat the rest of the day go to bed wake up train eat and I did that for about three days in a row and energy level wasn’t as good but it wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be and then the 29 hour fast worked out and I could feel it I tried it out a light day and just did not go in my favor and then the the holy the 42 hour one I I did a workout I think is a like a upper body and just kind of a little bit slower pace metabolic circuit and it went pretty well I mean I would say like 8090 percent performance but the second day I I wasn’t feelin I was not feeling up to a workout and just kind of went about my day still had decent energy level for you know talking or training clients or walking around the city and whatnot but it wasn’t anything it wasn’t enough energy that I felt like if I were to try another workout it would be beneficial so I just rest on that same day now far is your water intake did that change during this period or did you did you kind of rely on that maybe satisfy a little bit I mean kind of approach did you take going into I thought well you know if I get hungry I’m just gonna juggle a lot of water but it actually was kind of the opposite I had to really force myself especially the longer that went on to have fluids because I just I wasn’t thirsty either which was which was kind of odd but yeah I mean I I made sure I had enough water so probably having a bat the same that I would normally have probably close to a gallon or maybe a little bit less a day but it was it wasn’t like when I was eating where I’d be like oh man I’m so thirsty I got to get a cup of water even during the workout so I don’t know really that was just kind of a personal thing or that’s calming or what but that was kind of my it has to owner has to do with you know what you know still intake wires so a digestion process that uses energy maybe it’s true you know do you think it’s a body’s natural way of saying kind of maybe a deterrent to kind of save your energy because of the lack of food or something possibly and then I kind of wonder I you know I I follow this other guy Thomas to allow her on a on YouTube he’s you know the what he talks about is is pretty good detail based on science and you know disclaimer off of his disclaimers like you you don’t want to do this and it’s really only done under clinical scenarios but he was talking about dry fasting where you will actually break down body fat because you’re getting hydrogen I believe hydrogen molecules or atoms and it’s combining with the oxygen that you’re breathing and it’s making water and supposed to be like the most pure water that you can have in your body so I kind of wonder if later on that that’s what started happening if maybe I was having a reaction where the that that was being broken down to the point that it was combining with the air that was breathing and making water and for that reason I just didn’t have as much or maybe it was had nothing to do with that and it was just you know because I wasn’t eating maybe I wasn’t bringing enough salt in that it wasn’t stimulating somewhere in the brain to say hey you need to drink some water but I recognized that and and just made a point of consuming some throughout the day yeah that’s just definitely an interesting I’d never heard that because I’m very much into me and hydrate the army missus hydrator guy it’s it’s a big one yeah yeah so I definitely you said you know disclaimer here you know make sure other physicians can come definitely not recommended – yeah anything that forces a dehydrating or anything like that it’s harmless I’m not that’s unfortunate yeah definitely not recommended but maybe just kind of a theorizing out loud that maybe that’s why I wasn’t as thirsty but I would I would just suspect more on the side of just because I wasn’t having food that my body didn’t need as much fluid maybe break it down or digest it or transport the the nutrients you know all those kind of reasons yeah definitely gives you kind of you know it’s food for thought you know as to how amazing the body is and what it does to get ribs some very very resourceful and absolutely all right sounds good this is a good time there’s a it’s good to cover these things I’m definitely forward to next time we can chitchat likewise so thanks once again to Dave Jones also thanks to natural machine nutrition who sponsored this podcast today if you guys are interested in natural products such as whey protein powder go ahead and check them out at natural machine nutrition comm and if you guys have any questions to me or possibly to David himself I can definitely make sure that he gets the question but feel free to reach out at info at David Todd Miller comm and I’ll be happy to do what I can also if there’s a specific podcast or person that you would like me to interview go ahead and send that as well we’ll do as much as I can and we got more on the way for sure so stay tuned until 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